Certainly not enough to maintain me and out 10 year old daughter. My advice to you would be leave him there. It rarely works out when they are living in a cold climate. Anonymous my name is joshua. Anonymous I want to use this medium to testify of how i got back my husband after divorce, I and my husband have been together for 6 years with 2 kids, last year he filed a divorce against me, i did all i could to stop him but all to no avail until a friend of mine told me about a spell caster on the internet who helps people regain back lost love, when i contacted this spell caster via email he helped me cast a re-union spell and my husband came back to me within 48hours and we are happily together again as one family.
Contact this spell caster for your relationship or marriage problems via this email Drlawrencespelltemple hotmail. Sep 22, Rating RE: The truth I learned over 8 years NEW by: Z You didn't mention which country you are from, but if you get married to this Cuban man, your government will of course let him in more slowly than his government will let him leave. In fact, since last year, most Cubans have been allowed much easier access to leave their country. The only exceptions are highly trained professionals like doctors, but if they pay back the money the government invested in their education and training, they too can leave.
Thank your lucky stars and good luck. Anonymous I can see many ppl on this site are hopeful that their relation with a Cuban would work or be the one. I found mine, and hes is still in Cuba because he was not allowed to leave the island. Most likely never be allowed to leave. I love him dearly, and more with time, even though we have not seen each other for a few years. All I can say is that love is love I can not think whether he has another there, because it would be unfair to ask him to be alone.
He is from a poor family so there is no way I can survive living the way he does. And I am not rich enough to go build a house and live of savings since all jobs are closed to outsiders. Only time can show whether the love is real. This is sad, but the true reality. We just have to take this the way it is. Sure I will never forget him, and I will never stop writing to him.
This is one of the sad stories Anonymous I find myself in a similar position. Heartbreak will come to us anywhere. We can never be sure of their motivations. We are not living as they are I am deciding if I make this commitment to another that I so it not knowing. If I care enough, love enough I will do this and if the end result is only that I helped a man I care about into the country so be it.
Canadian men scam just as easily.
At least with this beautiful young man I have met I would understand his motivations. Sep 08, Rating Some advice? Anonymous My story is a bit different from the rest in numerous ways. The first being I'm a 19 year old female. I live in Canada and a couple weeks ago I went to Cuba. Now before I tell you about my trip I want to tell you a bit more about myself. I dont want to sound conceded when I say this but I think I'm good looking and I'm young so I already have a big target on my back when I go to places like Cuba.
Anyway I went to Cuba a couple weeks ago a met a guy two years older than me. He lives in Cuba but came down to the resort with his younger sister and parents for a vacation he introduced me to them. So already you can tell he is pretty well off. He introduced himself and we started talking. He told me that he'd be leaving the next day so the least I could do is go to the club with him he didnt push, he laughed as he asked me to go. I said yes and we had a great night, we came back to the hotel where we had a drink and then we went out separate ways.
The next day he left giving me a kiss infront of his parents and I felt like I lost a half of me. I didnt think I would feel that way knowing him for only one day. The day after I got a phone call in my room! He remembered my room number and called the hotel saying he wanted to hear my voice one last time before I leave to go back to Canada. We've kept in touch since over email and Facebook but the obvious worry sets in. Am I just an easy escape to a country of freedom?
I have no luck with love in Canada, I've been stood up, forgotten and neglected. But is it worth it? His words on facebook consists of "since I met you I've had the best of luck" "you changed my life" "I love yoh, you're very special" but is it real? I dont want to get hurt, so is it worth fighting for?
I told him I'd show him Canada and he told me he'd show me the world. He has a job, he goes to uuniversity as well. Is he in this for the right reasons? I've only known him for a day. Aug 13, Rating Love like it is your first love by: Anonymous I went to Cuba a few times and all the relationships with Cuban man were beautiful. My longest distance relationship lasted two years and I don't regret it. It was an amazing experience. Unfortunately I ended it as he was cheating on me. Then I gave up going to Cuba for almost two years. Meanwhile I met a very nice Cuban man on line where we were chatting and i really started having feelings for him and almost going to to Cuba to meet him.
But as I was out in London my home i met the most charming man and started a relationship thinking how lucky I am to be with him. Soon I found out he was a cheater and hiding lots of unpleasant secrets. It was the end.
I was confused because from my previous experience with Cuban man I believed they are all users and want just better life in England. But at home I can meet same type of man too. He wrote back to me "sorry I am in a relationship with another Cuban partner and I don't think it would be right thing to meet you" This made me relized that sometimes we hold on to our past experience so this poisons our new relationships by not believing in a new person we meet. And regreting why I let him go ten months ago. Anyway As a few months passed by and the Cuban man wrote back to me that his relationship is finished as he was dumpped by his partner so we started taking again and then sparkle came back again much stronger and feeling more connected so we started a distance relationship.
Now, I do believe and I don't question my or his feelings because I want a man who is committed to a partner Because if anyone asked him lets meet up for " a drink" I would expect he would say the same to someone whilst being with me. We have known each other for over a year and have been in a distance relationship over two months. I have never met him! We speak once a week write twice a week. He shows me photos of this house and family.
AND he never asked me for money! And when I offered he simply doesn't care to get it any soon. I just believe he is the one for me and I am looking forward to meet him. My secret to hipness is TRUST like every person you meet is your first love and you'll have more chances to successed. Negative thoughts create negative situations!
By thinking negative you'll never be happy anywhere Cuba or at home. Jul 28, Rating Prenup and be prepared for divorce by: This man spoke FIVE languages, was okay looking, very charming, and in good shape, so I could see how he could easily land a tourist. He was around 50 and a bit short. I was about 10 years younger than him and am over 6 feet and also had tourists hitting on me. I guess a lot of women go on vacation when they are lonely or maybe just looking for some fun.
Anyway, I spoke with him about my Cuban girlfriend situation and he told me that she was beautiful and everything would work out fine - apparently most Cubans will stick together like that. I learned that he met an Italian woman years ago, they "fell in love", she sponsored him, they got married, he moved to Italy and they had a child together. Well, apparently he couldn't get used to living in Italy, so they divorced a few years later and he returned to Cuba and was now with a Cuban woman much younger of course and had two children with her. Have a prenup, so you won't have to pay him anything if when he leaves, and be prepared to be a single mother.
When he returns to Cuba, he'll easily find a woman half his age, and to most men that's hard to resist and of course he won't have to or be able to send you any child support or fly back to visit his child once in a while. I went to the Cuban Embassy in Toronto and received the same advice the other person was giving you here.
Ironically, from everyone I've spoken with, men are actually less likely to be gold-diggers than women, and most of the relationships fall apart because the Cuban man feels impotent in Canada as he can't support his wife or children, becomes depressed by his situation I'm sure the climate and being away from his mother, family and friends is also a big factor and eventually heads home, with or without bags of cash from a divorce settlement. So although your chances of not having to become a sugar mamma are better than for a Canadian man not having to become a sugar daddy, the chances of you keeping him happy are less.
I gave up on finding love in Cuba and found a fantastic woman here. It took me a few years, and many terrible dates with obvious Canadian gold-diggers, but it did finally happen a friend introduced us. I hope you find a decent relationship too, whether or not it's with a Cuban. Good luck, and try to return here and let us know if there was a "happily ever after" for you. Feb 14, Rating How to marry in Cuba?
Before dating my Cuban papi, I dated men who would send me money just because, and would definitely pay for my plane ticket, let alone dinner. Cuba is among the countries that does not allow gay marriage. He didn't have a lot of money and it was hard for him to message me which was perfectly fine. I can't answer that since I haven't got enough experience yet And I am not rich enough to go build a house and live of savings since all jobs are closed to outsiders. She is her little dreadlock's sponger's paymaster, not just him, him but his extended family.
Anonymous This text was supposed to be together with the posting below but since only characters are allow per post. I have to resubmit this again. If you were born in Canada, it might be simpler. You would need the following: It's not recognized as suggested by some forums. If you're living in Toronto, there's this law office that is 2 min walking distance from the Cuban Consulate called Brunga Law Office that can do the services for you quickly and reasonably.
And they ONLY take cash or money order and the office hours are only from pm. The website is not bad but sometime you might not find all info you need there. If you were born outside Canada, ALL steps above are necessary with the additional steps below. You need around 4 weeks you have all this done. Anyway, I'll update you with my story once a while and do drop by to share your stories.
I do see more heart break stories every day and it's real sad that love got scammed and taken advantage of. It happens everywhere, not just in Cuba. It's a new social problem that our society has to deal with. Even in Canada, there are more single people than married people now. Divorce rate is high everywhere. So when you find true love, it's definitely rare. And when you find it in this world, you will know it without doubts. However, people change and circumstances change. So follow your heart but remember that love is not everything.
Good luck to all and please don't blame anyone or anything when your situation doesn't work out. Live and learn and we all can move on. Feb 14, Rating Moving forward by: Elsueno Hello, it has been a while since I need to come back to this forum for info. Since my situation is moving forward, I thought I should share it with everyone so you can see the positive side of your situation but always be cautious, especially if you're a lady.
I heard some situation that by the time she found out that her marriage was not genuine, she is already 6 month pregnant. In my situation, I decided to move forward with the marriage procedure to sponsor him over. For me, this is a legal procedure but it's not an official marriage until we have our wedding which can be a year or two from now. So no one has to know about this. If things don't work out because the future is unpredictable , I would consider this is to help him with a better life, a life with freedom.
It's worth it if you do it for love. Depending on the situation, you might always want to consider a prenup which is definitely ok and fair. It's probably something you think it mentally anyway but with the law, things need to be clarified in writing.
Another advise that I would give is to think about worse case scenarios of living together in the long run, assuming the relationship is genuine. Will the relationship survive the worst case scenario in facing the reality of finances, career paths, short and long term goals, compatibilities, language barrier and so on if applicable. If you can live with all that you've thought out, then why not going with your heart to find your happiness. Oct 20, Rating Don't loose faith in love by: Elsueno It has been many months since I come back to this forum.
It's nice to find a good story once a while. Dear Honza, thank you for your encouragement. Going with your gut feeling is what I always do and what I can always count on. Dear the last anonymous, you don't seem to be at peace with yourself. You might not ever experience love in life. Be kind to life and life will be kind back to you. When the relationship is in the infant state, there's too many unknowns and it's easy to doubt and fear, not only of the others but also of your ownself. It happens anywhere, in Cuba, in Canada or anywhere else on earth.
Simply because we're human beings. When you find love must be mutual and balanced , there's no more doubt and fear. There's no more calculation. Unfortunately, many of us might not find or experience love in our life time because we fear too much. Fear of failure, fear of hurt, fear of judgement, fear of everything. Unfortunately not many of us know how to love either. Not to say that I know it yet either, I'm still learning and discovering.
I love the speech Steve Jobs made at Stanford Univ about confonting your death and follow your heart. Life is short, why live the life that someone else expects you to? Why not explore and learn. If the destination is the same, would you want to make your journey interesting at least? Why not live honestly and do whatever to minimize regrets? Just open your heart and open your mind. Follow your guts but learn to be wise.
What doesn't kill you make you stronger. Good luck to all. Anonymous You say you are conducting 'research' looking for mugs to partcipate in your documentary for 'Educational Purposes'. Don't make me laugh!. What makes you think you can 'Educated' anyone when you clearly lack trust in your Cuban man. You are the last one to prey on be a voyer to anyone personal affairs for the entertainment of the Canadian public, when you clearly cannot sort out your own life.
As someone previously pointed out you're parasite, like much of today's media, you want to fe a fly on the wall voyer, gloat on other women's misfortune for the entertainment of the mass public while you make a profit. Why not start with yourself, take a look at your own relationship, why you lack trust in this man, and use your own story as material for your documentary. Stop poking your nose into other people's lives, it's none of your damn business. Sort out your own life before you judge and prey on others. Jul 10, Rating Re: Elsueno Reading your post, I could see why there are so discuss about one topic can easily turn into personal attack like other posts.
Things can easily being taken out of context here. Documentary is always for the purpose of education and trying to stay close to the truth of as many cases as possible. Anyway, it was just an idea and only if other people consent of course. The more I look into this, the more I feel there's a need for others, especially Canadians to know about this truth. Many people have learned from their painful experience and many time they want to speak up so that the others don't have to go through what they've had.
That's part of sharing like how we're doing in this forum. It's good but not enough information to help the others seeing clearly to make better decision about their relationship. If you notice my recent post that I've learned to be more alert with potential harm but also came out strong with my relationship where fears are slowly disappearing I hope many others could benefit the same way.
Either to identify frauds or clear their doubts Good luck to everyone and thank to Victor again: Anonymous Why would you yoyeristically need to 'follow' anyone's romance for material when you have your own story, and let's face it what could be better than basing your film on what you know, yourself and your boyfriend. Vic is a decent man, he never exposes names or personal details of those mainly women who pour their hearts out here. Yet you come on here asking for approval of your Cuban's love or trustworthiness when really you are seeking material for your documentary.
Why would anyone be dumb enough to allow you to pry into their personal life, their personal affair for entertainment so you can make a profit and entertain Canadians at their expense. You do not seem like a nice woman. I can understand why you have doubts about your boyfriend. He most likely does not trust you either.
Anonymous The last few nights, I've been obsessed with reading other stories on this website. It go the the point that everything sound fightening when real or fake can also be almost identical. I felt numb for a while and couldn't even be receptive to anything he said anymore Then the more I read, the more I feel that there is a pattern to these negative stories..
Though I would stay alert for sure but I no longer feel as bad I as did the last few days about the whole situation. Now I can feel that he's real again and I'm working on the option to obtain him a work permit in Canada. I've looked into it a bit and it's difficult but not impossible. I'm going back to the island the end of this month again for a few days. I'm thinking about working on a documentary about romance in Cuba If anyone interested to let me follow their story no matter what stage you're at , let me know and allow Victor to send me your email contact.
That way, we can communicate privately without having to expose your contact in the forum. Victor, would you be able to help out with that? Jul 07, Rating Short-term visit? You're right in that the only way to answer your questions and address your doubts is to spend more time together, in person. Unless you bite the bullet and change your work circumstances to allow at least a few months in Cuba which you say is not an option , then it follows that the only way is for your fella to come to Canada which you do suggest in one of your earlier comments.
I don't know the ins and outs of Canadian immigration, but I'm always a bit surprised at the posts from Canadians that talk about needing to marry before bringing their partner to Canada. Surely it's worth it to have a shorter-term visit first, to try out all these things you mention climate, culture, starting from the bottom without the pressure of a marriage commitment?
While it would be awesome if our working holiday visa programs extended to Cubans, there's surely some other angle in the Canadian system to bring him out short to medium term? At present, I am working through the many, many processes to bring my Cuban boyfriend to Australia. Am prepared to make this commitment to give us up to a year together and see how he goes here. Sounds a little similar to your situation - my bloke has a relatively comfortable rural life in Cuba, where he's on par with his peers works two jobs - in the fields and as a horseriding guide, everyone in his immediate family works.
In Australia, his immediate options will be minimum-wage jobs in a town or city much larger than what he's used to. Unlike your guy, he doesn't speak much English and hasn't travelled, so am under no illusions that it's going to be a massive challenge. But we won't be married, and he'd be free to leave early if we can't hack it. Have also had to be more brutally upfront with him than in past relationships - he will need to work here, I can't be an aid fund for the family, he can't stay forever, it will be frustrating, there are many immigration rules, etc If things are still going well when his time here is up, I'll look to quit work and head to Cuba for a little while.
I feel that there isn't really a substitute for getting to know someone in their own environment, and I've had to accept that it won't be until that stage that I would get any real evidence on the Cuban wife question. Until then, it's just words and gut instincts. Whatever you do, don't rush. Immigration processes kind of take care of that one anyway Jul 05, Rating How to test? Elsueno First of all, there are other ways on the island to make money besides those categories listed below.
I'm not doubting him for being a scammer. I've been ready lots of posts here and it is very frightening with all these cases.. I understand many people have been through this so they couldn't help it from warning me. Hence I'm more alert than before for sure. Victor, I don't think there's a perfect world or partner either. There's no need to live in fears. How can I test the relationship? The only thing I can to do is to confront him with the issues and see his reaction, and start paying attentions to little things and only time will tell If my gut feeling ever feels uneasy, I probably won't be able to continue the relationship.
osint-ctf.tracelabs.org/heq-honor-v10-skype.php It's already so hard being long distance. My struggle is not about fears of scamming. My struggle is about how to make this relationship works even it's true love It's so not easy when regular communication is so difficult. Jul 05, Rating Test Him by: Karen It's clear that you have doubts about this man. So you need to put his love to the test.
If as you say he has access to the internet why not put his love to the test by setting up a fake account on Facebook. This is how I discovered that my Cuban man was not what he claimed to be. My Cuban ex also had what you referred to as a 'priveleged' position working for a government dept.
But did not have a pot to pee in financially. None of them do, os they are always on the make, looking for a mug to fly them out of poverty. He had internet access all day and idled his days online. Little wonder Castro has laid off half a million idlers. I knew he had Facebook so before I made another expensive trip back to see him I put him to the test by inventing a fake profile, a beautiful blonde called Isabel who approached him on Facebook.
He immediately took the bait and within minutes he was asking for her cell phone no. He invited her to his home and offered to show her his 'beautiful island'. Within a couple of days he was telling 'Isabel' he loved her, how he was single, had never felt like this before. He said he'd had a relationship with a foreign woman, who now 'meant nothing' to him. I can tell you that Isabel saved me a lot of long term grief, emotional and financial. I suggest you put this man to the test before you invest your life in him, you already have doubts so why not find out what he is really like when you're not around.
If he does not have access to Facebook then send an attractive female to Cuba to run into him 'accidently' and see how he reacts. If he loves you for real he will never be tempted.
Unless you put him to the test you will never know. Jul 04, Rating Questions need answers by: Anonymous Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. I'm already aware of the worst case scenario. Assuming the relationship is a rare honest love, what options do I have and what are the things I can expect in the "best case scenario" if I would not move to Cuba or agree to stay there for an extended period of time.
Let's put it this way, if I live in Cuba without a job, he could provide financial support for us to live a comfortable life. Luckily, he only has one member of his immediate family to take care of, which is good news. Yes, love alone is not enough but it can also be almost everything depending on the situation.
I don't doubt the relationship we have but I doubt the uncertainties of the future given the difficult situation we're in. It's frightening to realize that there's never enough time to know someone truly There's always risk we everything we do but would this worth the pain? I can't answer that since I haven't got enough experience yet My urge is more yes then no. However, not enough yes to feel completely at ease with me decision.
I'd love to hear more opions. Answer by Vic I am afraid you idealize the world. Sorry, but you will never find "the perfect solution, the perfect scenario, the perfect partner etc. You have to trust yourself that you can manage your own future. Well believe me this doesn't exist. I know "perfect marriages" where the wife suddenly left after 25 years of a good marriage, I know people who lost everything of assets after they were scammed by a trustworthy person, whom they knew and loved for more than 20 years.
So, trust, love, etc. Don't think too much, go on with your life and be vigilant and happy too. Jul 04, Rating I Agree by: Anonymous I totally agree with the last post. When you have to seek affirmation of the solidity of your relationship then you clearly alrady have doubts.
Four words stood out for me in your story These words sum up relationships with Cuban men. Love is never enought when you are involved with a Cuban. Because you have to take on board his extended family. As the last lady said, the stress of 7 years of financing the extended family was just too much.
So Love clearly is never enough when it comes to love with a Cuban partner. Then you have the infidelity as the previous poster was honst enough to admit. He was unfaithful when in Cuba. We Westerners are seen as a great catch, a walking ATM. You may love him. But to be totally honest with you when you fall for a Cuban man you take on his extended family.
There is no getting away from it. He is under the thumb of the Mamma, Abuela, Tia, sobrina, colleagues de trabajo, all of whom have their oar in. Their opinion their point of view.
You're not dealing with him alone, you are dealing with minimum 15 other females who are all indoctrinating him on what he should be doing, saying, asking. You are the honeypot, the Lottery, their pot of gold and they will not let you go so easily. Many women like you travel to Cuba when their biological clock is ticking over. They get pregnant in the late 30's 40's.
But when that child is 10 will you see him at night, that's if he's still around? I speak from experience based on women I know. I know two women, plain, hardly what you'd call attractive, but solvent professionals in their early 50's, who like you they went to Cuba 10 years ago, and fell for charmers in Santiago, got pregnant, both were well paid professionals. A perfect target for a Cuban man in search of a visa out of poverty. Today these women spend their nights at home alone, while their Cuban men, playboys, are trawling the latin night clubs.
Neither of the men have had a proper 'day job' in the 10 years they've lived here. They are a burden, leeches on the welfare state and poncing off their wives. One woman, a travel editor on a well known woman's glossy magazine has been walked all over. She is her little dreadlock's sponger's paymaster, not just him, him but his extended family. But she lacks the the cojones to boot him out.
But both women now in their early 50's have sufficiently low self esteem to accept the B. Jul 04, Rating Thank you Victor - the road is tough by: Elsueno Yes, he can support me in Cuba no problem but due to the nature of my work. I cannot possibly be in Cuba for longer than 2 weeks. So for me to live in Cuba for several months is out of the question.
So in a way, I don't think he is a typical Cuban man. However, in reality, to start a new life again somewhere from the bottom is really hard for any man. If a Cuban leaves Cuba traveling, how long can he be away each time?
Perhaps he can spend sometime in Canada to see how he can cope with it, while we get to spend more time together. What kind of cost involved for a Cuban to leave the country for vacation? And how long would it take to apply for an exit? How can I be sure that he's faithful to me when sex is so accessible on the island, especially in his circumstances?
When you ask Cubans about the pros and cons of marriage, they smile at first, but then get serious, as if they were viewing a tragicomedy. Reinier Biscet, 28, has a girlfriend whom he "loves very much. After two years of dating, the young Cuban sees his story repeating itself. For some years now, Cuban couples have lost the incentive to sign a marriage certificate.
In Cuba, marriage allows couples the ability to purchase things that you wouldn't normally be able to buy, at a discounted price. It's sort of like a govermental wedding gift.
Carlos, who also didn't want to give any details of his identity, recalls that in his time they would give suits to wear. The latest was the access to hotels, and "we even lost that," says a rueful Yuliana, who lives in Jatibonico. For sociologist Regina Coyula, "If they are in love, all is well.
And if they can have a room in their parents and grandparents house, that's a privilege. You do your thing and I'll do mine," says Coyula. Mercedes Martinez, 25, a resident of the province of Granma went before a notary to formalize her "wife" status a year ago. She believes that "those who are not married do not want to have any kind of obligation. The "machismo" in Cuban society is, according to Marcia E. Mustelier, another factor that affects legal unions.